Edwards blames Clinton for Iraq War

Is Edwards a stalking horse for McCain?

In an attempt to blame others for Edward's vote on Iraq, Edwards now claims it was bad intelligence from Clinton administration that  lead to Iraq war.

That certainly sounds like the same line of attack that McCain will use. As you can see from the link, the Republicans are already using Edward's attacks on other Democrats.

Edwards: "[I] went back to former Clinton administration officials who gave me sort of independent information about what they believed about what was happening with Saddam's weapons programs. They were also wrong. And based on that, I made the wrong judgment."  (Fmr. Sen. John Edwards, "Meet The Press," 2/4/07)



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you're funny.. (none / 0)

he said he talked to people from the Clinton administration (=Bill) and they corroborated much of the Bush Intel..
is what he said... as did the UK and other people
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by TarHeel on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 10:08:08 AM EST

Re: you're funny.. (none / 0)

"he said he talked to people from the Clinton administration (=Bill) and they corroborated much of the Bush Intel..
is what he said... as did the UK and other people"

Sounds like Bush Jr's State of the Union address.


by BrionLutz on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 04:50:13 PM EST
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The only people who (3.00 / 0)

believe that Edwards was trying to blame the Clinton Admin for his vote on IWR probably look at the attacks on hillary and feel they must respond in kind at every mutterance of John Edwards.

primaries are a hoot.


by Stewieeeee on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 10:29:10 AM EST

Re: Edwards blames Clinton for Iraq War (3.00 / 2)

Wow.  I clicked your link to see the context, and got connected to GOP.com.

Is the GOP talking point honest or dishonest?  You give us no way to judge.  Not a diary to be proud of.


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by Steve M on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 10:48:42 AM EST

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Vox posted the same link in a different diary, but his was from a different POV.  Interesting to read the two interpretations.


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by yitbos96bb on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 03:16:21 PM EST
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Re: Edwards blames Clinton for Iraq War (3.00 / 1)

Got a real hate-on for Edwards, don't you?


by Rooktoven on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 11:02:38 AM EST

Re: Edwards blames Clinton for Iraq War (3.00 / 1)

Sourcing the GOP now?


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by stormbear on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 11:46:42 AM EST

Why are you distorting the truth? (3.00 / 2)

Brion, you are bright.  So why do write titles like "Edwards blames Clinton for Iraq War" when you know that it is utter, complete BS?

Edwards has said that his belief that Saddam had WMD (bio & chem) was based on information he received as a member of the Intel Cmte, and additionally he consulted with former Clinton Admin officials to get their take on the situation - and every one of them agreed with the assessment that Saddam had WMD.  

As I have pointed out a number of times, this was the conventional wisdom at the time.  Feingold believed Saddam had WMD (bio & chem). So did Wellstone.  So did Gore. So did Obama.

They all said so in their speeches.


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by Rob in Vermont on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 11:47:18 AM EST

Re: Why are you distorting the truth? (none / 0)

Because he's (literally) regurgiating GOP talking points.


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by Vox Populi on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 12:29:30 PM EST
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Re: Why are you distorting the truth? (none / 0)

"Because he's (literally) regurgiating GOP talking points."

Yes Edwards is not only repeating the GOP defense for the Iraq war (it was Clinton's fault) Edwards direct quotes are used by the GOP to attack Hillary Clinton.


by BrionLutz on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 08:58:33 PM EST
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Re: Why are you distorting the truth? (none / 0)

Brion,

1) Your so-cute reponse to Vox merely proves Vox's point: You and the GOP are distorting the truth in exactly the same way.

2) You didn't respond to my question; why would you, a bright person, write such BS?

What's your game?


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by Rob in Vermont on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 12:38:31 AM EST
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Re: Why are you distorting the truth? (none / 0)

Sorry, Brion, I overlooked your response below.


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by Rob in Vermont on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 12:40:10 AM EST
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Re: Why are you distorting the truth? (none / 0)

"You and the GOP are distorting the truth in exactly the same way."

It was a complete, direct quote from Edwards on "Meet the Press".

How is quoting the guy directly distorting anything?

As far as providing the link to the GOP web site that quotes Edwards, that is entirely the point that Edwards attack on the Clinton admin, blaming them for "bad intelligence" is a GOP party line.

What does that say about Edwards that he is using the same line that McCain and the GOP will be using to blame the Republicans Iraq disaster on Democrats.


by BrionLutz on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 12:52:43 AM EST
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Re: Why are you distorting the truth? (none / 0)

No, that was not a complete quote.

Edwards said he got his info from the Intel Cmte.  AND he said in addition to that, he consulted with former Clinton officials.

Based on "that" - i.e. the info he got from the intelligence community, and on top of that, double-checking with past Admin officials to get their take on it - he made the "wrong judgment" - that Saddam had WMD.

Clipping quotes out of context is a way to distort what someone is saying.  You're bright, you know that.  That's what the GOP is doing here.  We know why they are.  

Why are you?    


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by Rob in Vermont on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 01:22:09 AM EST
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Re: Why are you distorting the truth? (none / 0)

"No, that was not a complete quote."

Of course it was...a complete sentence by Edwards blaming "bad intel" from the Clinton admin. for Edwards' bad decision supporting Iraq.


by BrionLutz on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 02:12:37 AM EST
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You're embarrassing yourself (none / 0)

Brion,

I was generous. I gave you every opportunity to explain yourself. You might have said your post was satire meant to lampoon the GOP spin.  That excuse might have been a fib, but at least it would have been an attempt to save face.

When a dog has gotten into someone's garbage, and you see him prancing proudly home with a filthy, rancid piece of crud hanging from his mouth - well, even if he's a bright dog, he's still a dog - so it might seem disgusting but maybe a little funny at the same time.

It not funny at all to see a person doing it.


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by Rob in Vermont on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 09:33:13 AM EST
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Facts always win out. (none / 0)

"You might have said your post was satire meant to lampoon the GOP spin."

How is Edwards being the poster child for the Republicans attacks on Hillary Clinton a "satire"?

Edwards is like a drowning man, going down in the polls, who tries to save himself by pushing down another "swimmer".

His blaming of the Clinton admin for bad intelligence as the reason for Edwards failure in voting for the Iraq war disaster is a straight up Republican 2008 campaign spin.

That Edwdards provides quotes for Republican attacks tells you all you need to know about Edwards scorched earth policy.

If he can't win it, he'll take the Democrats down with him


by BrionLutz on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 09:50:00 AM EST
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Re: Why are you distorting the truth? (none / 0)

I curious if you place any stock in Senator Graham's statement that the senators in the Intel Committee knew the evidence the white house presented was BS.  He wrote an Op-Ed column the week after Edward's apology... while it doesn't attack Edwards, it inadvertently calls his excuse of bad intel BS.. (He doesn't say this mind you directed at Edwards, but he does say everyone in there knew it was not true)  I have not seen a lot of Edward's supporters address this issue, so I was curious on your take.


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by yitbos96bb on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 03:19:34 PM EST
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Re: Why are you distorting the truth? (3.00 / 1)

There were other credible expert sources at the time saying the intelligence was crap, notably Scott Ritter, who served from 1991 to 1998 as a United Nations weapons inspector in Iraq in the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM), which was charged with finding and destroying all weapons of mass destruction and WMD-related manufacturing capabilities in Iraq.  He provided the content for a scathing book called War on Iraq: What Team Bush Doesn't Want You to Know in 2002 and said things like:


There's no doubt Iraq hasn't fully complied with its disarmament obligations as set forth by the Security Council in its resolution. But on the other hand, since 1998 Iraq has been fundamentally disarmed: 90-95% of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction capacity has been verifiably eliminated... We have to remember that this missing 5-10% doesn't necessarily constitute a threat... It constitutes bits and pieces of a weapons program which in its totality doesn't amount to much, but which is still prohibited... We can't give Iraq a clean bill of health, therefore we can't close the book on their weapons of mass destruction. But simultaneously, we can't reasonably talk about Iraqi non-compliance as representing a de-facto retention of a prohibited capacity worthy of war.

We eliminated the nuclear program, and for Iraq to have reconstituted it would require undertaking activities that would have been eminently detectable by intelligence services.

If Iraq were producing [chemical] weapons today, we'd have proof, pure and simple.

Wouldn't that have been enough to make you wonder what was going on?  It did me.  And, while not disputing the intelligence Hans Blix' briefing to the UN on 14 February 2003 is worth considering.  Anyone who gave it a close reading would have been forgiven a reasonable doubt about the statements coming out of the White House at the time, although Blix does say that he was not privy to intelligence on WMD's or deny governments might have additional information.  Blix later denounced the administration quite strongly.

Incidentally, Ritter wrote a book last year called Target Iran: The Truth About the White House's Plans for Regime Change which is probably worth a read.  He has done a lot of anti-war work with Seymour Hersch of the New Yorker, who is no lightweight, since the invasion.


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 06:47:57 PM EST
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Re: Why are you distorting the truth? (none / 0)

I just read the piece, you linked below.  I don't arrive at the same conclusion you do (and I don't think this is because I like Edwards - in fact, I like almost all of our candidates quite a lot.)  I don't see Graham saying "the senators in the Intel Committee knew the evidence the white house presented was BS".  You would have to be much more clear about which "evidence" you are referring to.

What he does say is that NIE he requested contained reservations, particularly about the case for Saddam's nuclear program. Edwards himself has said the case for nukes at that time was questionable, but the case for bio & chem was considered very strong.  I do not see Graham really disputing this in his article.  Graham says he was, at the time, particularly interested in knowing what the intelligence community believed about Saddam's willingness to use WMD; their assessment was he would likely use it only if attacked. Such an assessment, of course - and Graham's inquiry - was based on the presumption that the WMD existed.

(If I recall correctly, Graham himself had a somewhat unique position: while not hawkish toward Iraq, he was quite hawkish toward Hezbollah.  Fortunately Israel was relatively quick - I mean, compared to the U.S. in Iraq - to realize that its invasion of Lebanon to eradicate Hezbollah, on the pretense of getting their soldier returned, was a fiasco.)

Assuming one believed Saddam did have hidden stocks of bio & chem weapons - which was the conventional wisdom at the time, even among those who voted against AUMF - could a principled case be made for voting to give the president the authority to use military force to find and dismantle these weapons?  Post-9/11, is it unreasonable to believe that many in Congress actually thought a principled case could be made for such a policy?  Yes, I think so.

However, I believed at the time, and still do, that "preventive war" is highly immmoral.

I wish Edwards would say that he believes preventive war is a terrible idea.  I don't think he's said that.  Not that I think he or any candidate would actually engage in preventive war. (No one is really likely to follow in the footsteps of this batshit crazy administration.) I'd just like to hear all of our candidates take a formal stand against preventive war.  


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by Rob in Vermont on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 08:18:30 PM EST
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Re: Why are you distorting the truth? (none / 0)

Oops, I meant to say "no, I don't think it's unreasonable to believe many in Congress were voting on principle..."


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by Rob in Vermont on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 08:21:28 PM EST
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Re: Why are you distorting the truth? (none / 0)

Source on the speeches?

Even if they believed it, I don't believe any supported going to war did they?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2005/11/18/AR2005111802397. html

Here is the Graham piece.  I am curious for people's take on this piece.


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by yitbos96bb on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 03:25:13 PM EST
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a lot seemed to be happening (none / 0)

between september and the vote in October.

Clearly, graham was the only one who asked the questions.

however, it was not a slam dunk from his statement that there were or were not WMDs.

Their seemed to be a sales job going on for almost a year before the vote to cherry pick the reports and omit pertinent "anti-war" data.

"On Oct. 11, I voted no on the resolution to give the president authority to go to war against Iraq. I was able to apply caveat emptor. Most of my colleagues could not." - -Grahams final statement wasn't as simple as everyone should have known better, but caveat emptor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caveat_empt or

meaning he didn't trust the administration enough to believe anything they were saying..  the sales job and cherry picking seems more in-advance than I had known about


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by TarHeel on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 03:42:12 PM EST
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Edwards says Clinton made him vote for Iraq war (none / 0)

"Source on the speeches?"

I provided it in the original message.  "Meet the Press".  The Republicans are already quoting Edwards' line that Iraq was due to bad intelligence by Clinton admin.


by BrionLutz on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 07:05:13 PM EST
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Re: Why are you distorting the truth? (none / 0)

"So why do write titles like "Edwards blames Clinton for Iraq War" when you know that it is utter, complete BS?"

Edwards quote clearly and specifically blames Clinton admin. to providing intelligence to Congress that lead some, like Edwards, to vote for Iraq war.

I think it is Edwards' attack line against Hillary Clinton that Republicans will pick up and did already as Iraq has gone bad.


by BrionLutz on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 04:48:21 PM EST
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Re: Why are you distorting the truth? (none / 0)

I watched that Meet the Press. There is nothing new there. Edwards made the same comment in a recent New Yorker article which interviewed him, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama regarding Iraq.

Edwards was saying that he arrived at the conclusion Saddam had bio & chem stocks not merely from what he heard on the Intel Cmte, but also by consulting with former Clinton Admin officials to get their take.  There's nothing unusual about consulting with the past admin as a reality check; it's a smart idea.  Edwards says no one of these Clinton officials disagreed on this issue. This is not hard to believe, considering that Al Gore himself was convinced, in the fall of 2002, that Saddam had bio & chem. If Gore was convinced, it's quite reasonable to believe whichever Clinton officials Edwards talked to were also convinced.

Of course it's no surprise the GOP would take Edwards's completely innocuous comment and distort it into "Edwards blames Clinton for Iraq War".  

My question is:  why would you?


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by Rob in Vermont on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 12:58:47 AM EST
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Re: Why are you distorting the truth? (none / 0)

"There is nothing new there."

So Edwards blaming the Clinton administration for Edwards' bad judgment in voting for Iraq war is a theme Edwards has been putting out of some time.

Not sure that helps Edwards in any way as the poster child for the Republicans attempt to blame Iraq disaster on Democrats.


by BrionLutz on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 02:11:38 AM EST
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Re: Edwards blames Clinton for Iraq War (3.00 / 3)

I'm getting sick and tired of Dems, who voted for this debacle, blaming it on the intelligence, whether it was Clinton's or Bush's. It doesn't matter either way.

Everyone saw the same intelligence. 22 Senators and 126 members of the House decided, correctly, that Saddam having weapons of mass destruction DID NOT constitute a direct threat to the U.S. and voted against the IWR.

In Bob Grahams own words......

What I Knew Before the Invasion

Read it and weep.

So, we are left with the fact that some in Congress either had better judgment or decided to vote on principle rather than political expediency.


by pelican on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 12:57:08 PM EST

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Oops, didn't see you posted this as well.  


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by yitbos96bb on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 03:26:31 PM EST
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"Everyone saw the same intelligence."

This is, in fact, a falsehood.

You should work in the Bush Administration.


by DrFrankLives on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 02:15:38 PM EST

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Your proof is?  If you are going to call him a liar, I ask for proof.  Its only fair.


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by yitbos96bb on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 03:26:14 PM EST
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Re: Edwards blames Clinton for Iraq War (none / 0)

Members of the Senate Intelligence COmmittee saw more information than the average member of the House or Senate.  That is a fact.

Now, Bob Graham saw the same thing Edwards saw, and it is fair to ask Edwards why yhe reached a different conclusion than Graham did.  My understanding is that Graham's initial position was that the War would be too focused on Iraq and not a wide enough front against terrorism.

Edwards himself has said he resolved his doubt by giving the President the benefit of the doubt, to all of our great regret.

I reached a similar conclusion.  I thought it was probably a bad idea, but if John Edwards and PM Blair said it was a good idea and a necessary thing, then I trusted them.

Turns out that was wrong.  And the guy who got us into this was not John Edwards, it was George Bush.
 


by DrFrankLives on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 11:51:48 AM EST
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I dont' think it's right to blame anyone.  Everyone had access to the same info.  Why did some feel the info was not right and voted against?
I think Edwards, like most, voted for it for a few reasons:  fear of being labeled unpatriotic,  he was going to be running for president, didn't want to look wimpy, pressure from the war fever.  
I don't have a dog in the edwards fight.  I don't hate or like him.  I am just trying to see this objectively.
I don't like Hillary so, I'm not taking that side either.
I just feel Edwards acted like most of them and he voted this way and now it's politically good for him to lay down doubts about the clintons.
It is a low move to make.  It looks petty and could hurt him in the long run.
No one would have thought less if he fessed up about feeling the need to follow everyone else.  It was a scary time and he wasn't the only one.
by vwcat on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 09:40:13 PM EST

I listened to the Diane Rehm show (none / 0)

The comment he made was in response to a caller's question about holding accountable those people who provided the bad cherry picked intelligence to the Senate.  He said he checked with independent sources that supported the claims that the white house was providing.  I never heard him state that they were former officials from the Clinton White House.  Now, before the war, Clinton himself warned that Saddam may very well have chemical weapons and may use them against the troops.  But, to me, these concerns are neither here nor there.  
The overwhelming issue is was going to war with Iraq in the national interest?  If Saddam had WMD would he sell them to terrorists to attack the US?

It's all a canard.  I still support Edwards and consider him my top choice.  He will have to refine his message and learn to better navigate his statements regarding Iraq, Iran and why we are in the mess we are in.


by gasperc on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 08:37:53 AM EST

Re: I listened to the Diane Rehm show (none / 0)

"he comment he made was in response to a caller's question about holding accountable those people who provided the bad cherry picked intelligence to the Senate"

Interesting that Edwards answers on Meet the Press (link and quote provided) were different than his response on Diane Rehm.

Not sure Edwards giving two answers to the same question really helps him.

At this point he is having some bad Kerry moments of saying some things before he says he didn't say some things.


by BrionLutz on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 04:58:28 PM EST
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